Toshiba Sucks

During August of 2004 I purchased a Toshiba Satellite A65-S1662 laptop computer. If you’re in a hurry and don’t feel like reading this entire post, let me save you some time and just advise you to stay clear of Toshiba laptops and buy something better. There now, go back to your research.

My Toshiba laptop performed quite satisfactorily until one day about 6 months ago. I finished using it one evening and put it away, only to find that it was incapable of operating the next day when I attempted to boot it up. Since I am quite comfortable diagnosing and repairing my own computers, I decided to have a look.

I don’t have a lot of experience working on laptops but I was still able to come to the conclusion that the memory (RAM) had probably gone bad. Since I did not have a whole lot of time to invest in learning how to repair a laptop at the time, I set it aside and planned to look at it more closely some day. I was not entirely sure if I would try to repair it myself or have someone else do it. I figured I was looking at a simple memory replacement that might cost me $70 or so to do it myself or perhaps $100 or $200 at most to have someone else do it.

Today I decided to dust off the laptop and have a serious look at it and get it repaired. We’re taking a family vacation in a few weeks and I thought it might be handy to have it along since our hotel does have Wi-Fi access. As I always do, I started my search for information on the internet and found some helpful guides that covered laptop disassembly and repair.

I was able to download a memory test program that was highly recommended by a laptop repair technician. I was able to put the test program on a bootable CD and use it to test the laptop’s memory. Sure enough, the result was a sea of red from non-stop errors scrolling across the laptop’s screen. It appeared that my suspicion was correct and the memory had gone bad. That was no surprise, but what I discovered next certainly was.

In researching the problem further, I discovered that this laptop is blessed with ‘onboard’ memory. Sure, you can do a memory ‘upgrade’ by adding more by way of a handy slot on the bottom of the unit. However, the ‘onboard’ memory is integrated with the system board (or ‘mother board,’ if you prefer) and cannot be removed. Since my laptop did not have a memory upgrade installed, it was pretty obvious that it was the ‘onboard’ memory that had failed.

What does this mean? It means in order to repair this laptop, I would need to purchase a new system board. A quick look around the net revealed that a new system board would cost me between $300 and $400 or so. Considering that fact that I paid $800 to purchase this laptop (brand-new) and it was about to cost me approximately half of that to get it repaired, I decided on another option.

I packed it back up in its original shipping box and stashed it away in on of our storage areas. You know, the place you keep all the old exercise equipment, sports equipment and the 968 pounds of colorful plastic that represents all the toys your kids no longer play with since they are now driving automobiles and are no longer interested in ‘Barney’ or ‘Power Rangers.’ Lord knows what I will ever do with the laptop, but I cannot yet bring myself to toss an $800 purchase that was made less than two years ago into the trash can.

With the lack of confidence I now have for anything with a label that says Toshiba, I am not about to invest in repairing a laptop when I would expect it to fail again some day in the not-too-distant future. This laptop did not even ‘live’ to be two years old before it utterly failed. To me that says Toshiba does a pretty poor job designing and building the products they sell.

For a couple of hundred dollars more than it would cost me to replace the system board in my laptop, I could purchase a brand-new laptop from a manufacturer that I might have a little more confidence in. Not to mention and extended warranty (more on that below).

During my short walk up to the storage area, I made a mental note to never purchase another single product with the name Toshiba on it ever again. That is not a promise I make to myself lightly. Yes, when it comes to products and services, I do indeed hold a grudge and it is a lifelong one at that. I have written about experiences like this in the past, such as my happy and satisfying experience (yeah, right) owning a 1991 Ford Taurus a number of years ago.

I have learned a few lessons from this experience, and I am happy to share them with you.

Number One: I will never cut my research short again. I am usually the kind of guy that spends a day or two on the internet thoroughly researching before making any kind of major purchase. I had heard a few good things about Toshiba laptops through the years and allowed that to influence me instead of conducting all the research I would normally do. In searching for information today, I discovered that there was no shortage of trouble with Toshiba laptops and one laptop technician reported more problems than usual with the system board on the model I own. Not a surprise at this point, I am sorry to say.

Number Two: Never, and I mean never, buy a laptop without an extended warranty. I normally never purchase an extended warranty for anything, so I do not make this recommendation lightly. I read advice from a few laptop repair specialists on the net that made this recommendation and after this experience, I must agree with them completely. I would not hesitate to purchase an extended warranty covering four or more years if I was purchasing a new laptop.

Number Three, if you decide to ignore the advice in ‘Number Two,’ you might save yourself a lot of trouble and money if you buy a laptop that does not have ‘onboard’ memory so it can be replaced if it goes bad. Anything that is ‘onboard’ or integrated on the motherboard will be cause for you to replace the entire system board if it fails.

Number Four: Don’t buy a laptop if you really don’t need a portable computer. This one will be controversial, I am sure. I have always hated laptops, and after this experience, I am not feeling that much better about them. When I worked in the computer industry and had to support various operating systems and software, I always hated working on laptops because they were quirky, generally slower than the desktop systems and the small keyboards and pointing devices were a pain to use.

Granted, laptops have a come a long way and are probably a lot less quirky and much faster than they were five or six years ago, but I’d still much prefer to use a desktop system. If you are handy at all with electronics, you can make many repairs on your desktop system yourself and it will cost you less.

In other words, don’t buy a laptop because it is ‘cool’ or because everyone else has one. If you truly want a computer you can walk around and use in various areas of your home or take on a trip, yes, you really need a laptop. However, if you just want a PC to park on your desk and use at home, save yourself money and potential hassle and buy a desktop system.

I am glad that I don’t have a serious need for a laptop computer right now. I will probably look at the possibility of buying another one some day, and right now I don’t have any idea which brand I could feel good about. One thing is certain however, it will not have the name Toshiba on it.

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21 responses to “Toshiba Sucks”

  1. Chris Avatar
    Chris

    Hi,

    I live in Southern NH and bought an A65 Toshiba piece of crap notebook in 2004 too, from Best Buy. I thought I was getting a great deal with the rebate and all, but hindsight being 20/20 I got burned badly. My notebook died 6 mos ago for no apparant reason, it just will not boot anymore. I’m a computer guy, actually ran the QA team for DEC/Compaq’s Notebook division so I know a bit about these things. I thought Toshiba was a good brand, I thought wrong… There is no doubt this notebook was defective from Day one, it always ran hot. I have been unable to revive it myself and I’m quite sure it’s a hardware problem. It’s a $100 bucks just to have someone else look at it, and most likely they will want to replace the mboard – which will run between $500-$1000. I’ve spoken to Toshiba twice and of course they are dumbfounded why there might be a problem. Sure…. Meanwhile they settled a class action lawsuit last year for owners of the A70 and A75 for what sounds like to be the same problem.

    I say those of us who are burned get together and file a formal complaint against Toshiba, and demand reporations.

    Email me if you want to pursue something. I bet there are others in the same boat.

    Chris

  2. Greg Avatar
    Greg

    You should dig that laptop back out of storage. The defective onboard memory can be unsoldered from the motherboard–leaving the use of the expansion memory slot. There are 8 surface mount IC’s that, with a steady hand and a soldering iron, can be taken off.

  3. Admin Avatar

    Thanks for the tip, Greg.

    I just may do that since it really isn’t doing me much good sitting up in the back storage room.

  4. Joe Avatar
    Joe

    I bought a Toshiba Satellite M40-231 that just died. Funny how the 2 year warranty just lapsed 2 months ago. The repair shop points to a motherboard replacement to the tune of 370 Euros. I’ve owned Dell and Compaq without a problem, they still work in fact – but I needed an upgrade and am sorry to have picked Toshiba. The company should make the repairs cheaper if they want to inspire confidence. I will not buy Toshiba again.

  5. Howard Avatar
    Howard

    We have 2. My sons died in 13 months. Good thing I took the extended waranty from Circuit City. It needed a new motherboard. They sent a box out and we sent back in. Within 2 weeks was back and running. Good thing took the warranty or would have been trash.

  6. Paul Avatar
    Paul

    Use a dremel or serrated knife, cut the pins on one side as close to the chip(s) as you can, bend the other side off (repeat 8 times)…now, Use a small soldering iron to remove the pins left behind (Scrape towards the middle, clean often)

    Big thing: There’s a metal finger that comes up from the bottom case. It tousches right where you just unsoldered, but only when you put everything together again. Pull it loose (it was used to try to help cool the onboard memory is my guess, use a screwdriver to flatten the ‘brad’ area, and you’re good to go.

    Make sure ya grab the ‘Chipset AGP IDE’ update from Toshibas website. Not only is it a heckuva lot faster, you can use advanced video properties -> Frame Buffer to bump the mem used by graphics down to 32MB (from 64) which, along with turning off services and autoruns, makes XP usable, if not actually speedy.
    GL, feel free to contact me if you sdecide to ‘fix’ the laptop, and if anyone else needs help, feel free to give em my email. (I’m not looking for anyone to send me their laptop, just offering a hand)

  7. Paul Avatar
    Paul

    Oh, and BTW, if you can stand the heat, A litlle program called ATITool will actually let you overclock the chipset/CPU, although memory clocking seems to be locked/flaky. I’ve gone from 183MHz to 235MHz, and it’s almost snappy, even wioth only 256MB memory.

    You’ll need to go into settings and select the right ‘device’ (which gives some realistic clock speeds)

    Also, the 4200RPM drive in the A65 by default is slow, alow, slow…even a 5400RPM drive is noticeably faster.

  8. Admin Avatar

    Thanks for stopping by with that excellent advice, Paul.

    I actually did dig the laptop out of the attic a few weeks ago and it is currently sitting on a table in my home office area.

    Not sure when I will get to it, but it is on my “to do” list.

  9. Mick Avatar
    Mick

    Hi, I have a toshiba laptop, a200 series…
    After the week of the purchase, I noticed a small crack on the left speaker. They have covered the speaker box with a transparent bright plastic that goes from left to right speaker. I didnt pay much attention but then it started to get bigger and now I do have a noticable crack on the left side of my speaker after three weeks time… I am in Uk now and bought the laptop from US, therefore can’t ask for a warranty here…

    My question is, is this a part where it can be replaced by the toshiba service – it looks like it is attached to the chasis but could they replace this with or without money if I ship this to them? any help would be appreciated, thnks

  10. Silly Boy Avatar
    Silly Boy

    am going to tell you somehing never, never try to install alcohol
    120% in Vista that will kill you re computer in my case my laptop toshiba satellite p105 it become damage by this software the vista lock up and restart simultaneusly, so i have to reisntall the os but guest what the store does not have the laptop disk i have to install a pirated version of the os very beautifull now am fuck up.

  11. Kyle Keller Avatar
    Kyle Keller

    I have owned a Toshiba Satellite A65 for two years – and the same fault occurred. Onboard memory failure sucks; however, the Toshiba Satellite A65 is a bit outdated so I figured it just gave me an excuse to buy another notebook anyway. I can tell you that after owning Toshiba notebooks, they do have so many issues I am surprised that they can stay in business. I spent a little more on my new Dell XPS M1530 at approx. $2,200 including tax. It runs much better than the Toshiba, and I had Dell install it with 4GB of internal memory to insure its memory will not propose any future issues. 2.4GHz processor, and a 250GB 5400 RPM SATA hard drive disc. It also has 256MB NVIDIA graphics/video card to help take on the load of memory demanding programs; and with Microsoft WIndows Vista running on it, my system uses a great deal of memory and video card space.

  12. Laura Avatar
    Laura

    Toshiba is the worst OF THE WORSTS laptopS I ever used. I am just upset and shocked that I spent all my money on this piece of crap. This laptop does whatever it wants, very slow, to attach a file through email seems like an impossible task for it and takes 5 times more time than any regular computer would take, disregarding the size of the attachment. Watch out if it works too much time, I mean in half an hour this computer is hotter than my fireplace. I literally turn it on when I am cold (I;d say this is the only good feature in this case). If I were one of the heroes, I would go back in time and bought Dell or HP or any other but this so called laptop.
    TOSHIBA, iNC, YOU SHOULD STOP MAKING THIS PRODUCT ! NOT NICE OF YOU AT ALL TO SELL IT TO YOUR CUSTOMERS.

  13. Sammy Avatar
    Sammy

    TOSHIBA SUCK AND ITS WARRANTY…….NEVER BUY

  14. Ryan Avatar
    Ryan

    My brother got a Toshiba Satellite(that’s all i know about that POS)and it’s bulky, heavy and get’s damn hot when in Firefox(lol). But on the other hand my brand new Acer Aspire 5536 is working amazingly. Looks incredible and is pretty cold while browsing the internet, gaming. Silent too. But my only problem is that it was preinstalled with all sorts of crap. The crappiest program had to be McAfee.

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    Annamarie Laregina

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  16. admin Avatar

    You’ll have to do better than that lame drivel.

    Your link was removed, loser.

  17. Cole Avatar
    Cole

    it is now 2010 and apparently Toshiba still SUCKS!I brought a A505 in Dec 2009 by Feb 2010 it total crapped out. Needed a new motherboard, a new raiser and a new hard drive. They fixed it and proceeded to charge me 30.00 dollars to reinstall the OPS. Bottom line….It still does not work.
    They want to FIX it again!!
    Their product is extremely sup-pare and customer service is terrible!
    If you have stock in this company sell it now because at this rate they be going under soon.

  18. Sagir Avatar
    Sagir

    I used to have a Toshiba Satellite A100, and after 3 months the USB ports stopped working(for some reason) and whenever i plugged in a USB devive it says “Windows could not recognize the device.” After 5 months the battery died(idk how because i never used it on battery power! wtf!?), and after 6 months it died completely. I shut it down normally, when i went to turn it on the next day, it didnt boot up!! CRAZZYY! plzzz ppl dont but this crap products. idk how they get the high rating from but this company really sucks like hell. we took it to the repair shop and the guy said that we need a new motherboard(it gonna cost $500), and we said “**** that piece of ****! we’re gonna get a Lenovo”

  19. Sophia Avatar
    Sophia

    Biggest waste of your money – first motherboard goes twice (while under warranty) then when warranty is over the unit goes crazy and blows all the USB ports – TOSHIBA STOP MAKING NOTEBOOK AND REFUND OUR MONEY.

  20. Colin Avatar
    Colin

    Similar problem with a Toshiba Satellite A200. I’ve also had mine stashed in the back of a cupboard. Probably the best thing is to pull it apart to see what makes it tick and then take it to a recycling place.
    All the time it is sitting in the cupboard I’ll just get cranky whenever I see it.
    Some things are best forgotten.
    I have also gone back to a desktop. More powerful machines for the price. They are also a lot easier to repair. I try to keep it off the internet except as absolutely necessary.
    For day to day internet use I now have a little netbook. I figure if the netbook goes bung I’ve lost only a fraction of the cost of a laptop. In fact, I can afford to replace a netbook every couple of years to keep up with hardware improvements. And its a lot easier to carry around than a bulky laptop. I also figure if it picks up a nasty virus etc, it won’t be a disaster. In fact, I’ve already had one nasty (thanks Norton for picking it up – not)that required a system restore and it was no big deal cause there’s really not much on it other than the operating system.
    Anyway, the desktop/netbook combination is working really well, and I’ll not be going back to a laptop.

  21. admin Avatar

    I agree Colin. It’s best forgotten and that’s what’s happened.

    Some time back, I made one last-ditch effort to tear into and see if there was anything I co do to bring it back to life but my efforts only made things worse.

    I donated it to a local high school that has a tech course where they dissect and repair computers and such.

    My son has an HP laptop which has actually served him quite well for about three years now. I’m sure there are HP horror stories out there as well, but so far, he’s had good luck with this one. I’d certainly recommend it sooner than I would a Toshiba!

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